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		<title>By: ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.ryananddebi.com/2006/10/12/tall-stacks-and-website-clean-up/comment-page-1/#comment-1220</link>
		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi David,

It's good to hear from you.  It's been a long time.  How are things in the United Arab Emirates?  How are the kids?  I still occasionally look at some pictures we took of the kids the day Debi spent babysitting them and laugh - they were certainly a handful for someone like me who has so little experience dealing with young kids.  I hope things are going well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi David,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s good to hear from you.  It&#8217;s been a long time.  How are things in the United Arab Emirates?  How are the kids?  I still occasionally look at some pictures we took of the kids the day Debi spent babysitting them and laugh - they were certainly a handful for someone like me who has so little experience dealing with young kids.  I hope things are going well.</p>
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		<title>By: David Sanders</title>
		<link>http://www.ryananddebi.com/2006/10/12/tall-stacks-and-website-clean-up/comment-page-1/#comment-1216</link>
		<dc:creator>David Sanders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Oct 2006 17:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading about your Japanese meal, I checked your entries on your April 2006 trip to Japan, it was fun to read and "compare notes".   The kids and I were in Japan on vacation from April 7-20, would've been funny if our paths would've crossed.  We are currenlty living in Abu Dhabi, UAE.  Quite a change from Cincinnati...   Anyway, I came across your blog a few weeks back when I was doing a google search on a completely unrelated topic.  I have enjoyed reading your blog, I share many of your thoughts on social and political issues.  

David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading about your Japanese meal, I checked your entries on your April 2006 trip to Japan, it was fun to read and &#8220;compare notes&#8221;.   The kids and I were in Japan on vacation from April 7-20, would&#8217;ve been funny if our paths would&#8217;ve crossed.  We are currenlty living in Abu Dhabi, UAE.  Quite a change from Cincinnati&#8230;   Anyway, I came across your blog a few weeks back when I was doing a google search on a completely unrelated topic.  I have enjoyed reading your blog, I share many of your thoughts on social and political issues.  </p>
<p>David</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Makes sense to me.  I hadn't given it any real thought and, not knowing the bands and such, probably would not have realized what you're suggesting.  Thanks for the insight - hopefully Elijah Anderson won't steal your ideas ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Makes sense to me.  I hadn&#8217;t given it any real thought and, not knowing the bands and such, probably would not have realized what you&#8217;re suggesting.  Thanks for the insight - hopefully Elijah Anderson won&#8217;t steal your ideas ;)</p>
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		<title>By: radio free newport</title>
		<link>http://www.ryananddebi.com/2006/10/12/tall-stacks-and-website-clean-up/comment-page-1/#comment-1210</link>
		<dc:creator>radio free newport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the few folks I've talked to -- this is a very small sample, so take it for what it's worth -- it has to do how (and where) the event is marketed and age.

A couple folks told me that Tall Stacks is perceived as a "white" event. Given that the lineup was dominated with bluegrass, country, and folk, and that the classic steamboat era recalls a time that wasn't so great for blacks, I can't say I blame them. Meanwhile, the Fountain Square event was about the here &#38; now. The black artists at TS were given bad slots -- the opening and closing nights of the event. The black &#38; Hispanic artists at FS were given good slots (true, IsWhat went on at 5:30, but at such a short event, going on just 2:30 before the headliner isn't a terrible thing).

Age also plays a part. The black artists booked at TS -- Blind Boys of Alabama, Buddy Guy, etc. -- appeal, for the most  part, to an older audience. Older folks are probably less likely to deal with the crowds on a chilly night. Talib Kweli and IsWhat, who appeared at FS, targeted younger crowds.

I get the sense that blacks in Cinti will come to an event when they're genuinely made to feel welcome. But again, this is going off of a very small sample of informal conversations. I'm looking forward to the project. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the few folks I&#8217;ve talked to &#8212; this is a very small sample, so take it for what it&#8217;s worth &#8212; it has to do how (and where) the event is marketed and age.</p>
<p>A couple folks told me that Tall Stacks is perceived as a &#8220;white&#8221; event. Given that the lineup was dominated with bluegrass, country, and folk, and that the classic steamboat era recalls a time that wasn&#8217;t so great for blacks, I can&#8217;t say I blame them. Meanwhile, the Fountain Square event was about the here &amp; now. The black artists at TS were given bad slots &#8212; the opening and closing nights of the event. The black &amp; Hispanic artists at FS were given good slots (true, IsWhat went on at 5:30, but at such a short event, going on just 2:30 before the headliner isn&#8217;t a terrible thing).</p>
<p>Age also plays a part. The black artists booked at TS &#8212; Blind Boys of Alabama, Buddy Guy, etc. &#8212; appeal, for the most  part, to an older audience. Older folks are probably less likely to deal with the crowds on a chilly night. Talib Kweli and IsWhat, who appeared at FS, targeted younger crowds.</p>
<p>I get the sense that blacks in Cinti will come to an event when they&#8217;re genuinely made to feel welcome. But again, this is going off of a very small sample of informal conversations. I&#8217;m looking forward to the project. ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the thoughts.  I have to admit Debi was the first to notice the remarkable lack of black people at Tall Stacks (a blow to my sociologist ego).  Once she pointed it out, it was really quite amazing.  We probably saw 20 or 30 black people altogether; of those, only 4 were not working there.  Definitely some intriguing dynamics.  I hope you're able to beat Elijah Anderson to the punch on this one.  It really didn't make a lot of sense to me, a sociologist (without expertise in race), considering how many blacks live so close that area.  Definitely project worthy!

Tall Stacks would be an intriguing event to contrast with the re-opening of Fountain Square.  You described that on your blog as having a good mix.... Thoughts as to why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the thoughts.  I have to admit Debi was the first to notice the remarkable lack of black people at Tall Stacks (a blow to my sociologist ego).  Once she pointed it out, it was really quite amazing.  We probably saw 20 or 30 black people altogether; of those, only 4 were not working there.  Definitely some intriguing dynamics.  I hope you&#8217;re able to beat Elijah Anderson to the punch on this one.  It really didn&#8217;t make a lot of sense to me, a sociologist (without expertise in race), considering how many blacks live so close that area.  Definitely project worthy!</p>
<p>Tall Stacks would be an intriguing event to contrast with the re-opening of Fountain Square.  You described that on your blog as having a good mix&#8230;. Thoughts as to why?</p>
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		<title>By: radio free newport</title>
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		<dc:creator>radio free newport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 13:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was good to see you &#38; Debi there. Bummer about the dance floor, though. 

As for the garbage, I confess that while I try to be good about it, there are times when I'll leave empty cups by my feet and then forget to grab them when I leave. Notice that the garbage is heavier closer to the stage -- especially for a packed show like Wilco, folks don't want to lose their place in the crowd. But yes, it sucks to see the field littered like that.

As for why the crowd isn't more integrated...well, now you know why I seriously considered that for my dissertation. ;-) It will be my first post-diss project. Sociocultural spaces that don't have a reason to be so white-dominated continue to be. Informal discussion with my black friends usually goes along the lines of this: after dealing with white folks all day, we don't necessarily want to go hang out with tens of thousands of them at Tall Stacks. I think there are some really interesting dynamics going on here. I hope no one steals the idea before I do it (although Elijah Anderson is coming very close with his new project).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was good to see you &amp; Debi there. Bummer about the dance floor, though. </p>
<p>As for the garbage, I confess that while I try to be good about it, there are times when I&#8217;ll leave empty cups by my feet and then forget to grab them when I leave. Notice that the garbage is heavier closer to the stage &#8212; especially for a packed show like Wilco, folks don&#8217;t want to lose their place in the crowd. But yes, it sucks to see the field littered like that.</p>
<p>As for why the crowd isn&#8217;t more integrated&#8230;well, now you know why I seriously considered that for my dissertation. ;-) It will be my first post-diss project. Sociocultural spaces that don&#8217;t have a reason to be so white-dominated continue to be. Informal discussion with my black friends usually goes along the lines of this: after dealing with white folks all day, we don&#8217;t necessarily want to go hang out with tens of thousands of them at Tall Stacks. I think there are some really interesting dynamics going on here. I hope no one steals the idea before I do it (although Elijah Anderson is coming very close with his new project).</p>
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		<title>By: your mother</title>
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		<dc:creator>your mother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Oct 2006 18:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really enjoyed the comments but not the swear words!!   The pictures were great-- looked like post cards  - wish my camera took such great night shots.  They were beautiful.  Sorry that you didn't get to dance as much as you would have liked.  I liked the pictures with the story-- made it very interesting.  I am glad that you ventured out and did something fun and put your computer away for a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed the comments but not the swear words!!   The pictures were great&#8211; looked like post cards  - wish my camera took such great night shots.  They were beautiful.  Sorry that you didn&#8217;t get to dance as much as you would have liked.  I liked the pictures with the story&#8211; made it very interesting.  I am glad that you ventured out and did something fun and put your computer away for a while.</p>
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