If you followed the previous post closely, you probably noticed that Debi’s conference was in Anaheim but we spent the first night in San Diego. That’s because I know someone in San Diego who runs a Humanist group and she arranged to have me speak to her group about my book. That’s what I did on the 5th while Debi and Toren went to the San Diego Zoo.
I always enjoy talking about my work, and I ended up conducting an interview afterward. Debi and Toren enjoyed the zoo, though Toren spent more time running around “shooting” stuff with sticks than anything else:
![Toren by the entrance to the zoo](https://www.ryananddebi.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Toren-at-San-Diego-Zoo-2013-10-05T081349.jpeg)
![Toren pretending to be a seal](https://www.ryananddebi.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Toren-at-San-Diego-Zoo-2013-10-05T111000.jpeg)
![Toren flying a helicopter.](https://www.ryananddebi.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Toren-at-San-Diego-Zoo-2013-10-05T111829.jpeg)
![Toren is small compared to a polar bear](https://www.ryananddebi.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Toren-at-San-Diego-Zoo-2013-10-05T112737.jpeg)
After I picked them up from the zoo, we stopped at a local park and played hide and seek for a while, then headed back to our hotel and then across the street to a mall for dinner. The mall was teeming with people, as is most of California. There was a little event taking place, but it still seemed like there were simply too many people!