(Note: I wrote this post originally as a response to a pamphlet I was handed while visiting the spa on a cruise ship [I was there on a tour of the ship, not because I was paying for a service.]. I was so appalled by the claims that I decided I had to write up my thoughts about it. I did, and this post drew dozens of comments, mostly from people who absolutely insist that Ionithermie really works. As I still don’t see much good information out on the internet these days about Ionithermie, I’m leaving this post up, but as a page, not as a story. Commenting is closed. Enjoy…)

Original Title: cruise comments 2 – the spa, January 28, 2005:

The first day on the ship we went on a tour of the ship with the rest of Debi’s family that included a quick trip into the spa. They introduced us there to the numerous treatments they provided, including massages, seaweed wraps, rubs with rocks, and all sorts of other silly stuff. I’m sure some of these treatments feel good, but when they started talking about ‘toxins’ and how terrible they are for you body, I couldn’t help but think the whole think was a scam. Don’t get me wrong, ‘toxins’ are, technically, bad for your body (see this definition of toxins on wikipedia), but not the way they were using the word.

As they continued explaining their ‘treatments’, they must have said the word ‘toxins’ a hundred times. As they said it more and more, it became apparent that they were using ‘toxins’ as a catch-all ‘technical’ word that was supposed to scare people into getting their ‘treatments’. This point was driven home when I overheard a seminar on spa treatments in the exercise room where they let slip that adrenaline is a toxin. I can’t believe how ridiculous the whole concept is, but many of the old women on the cruise ship seemed to eat this stuff up as though it was coming straight from Albert Einstein’s mouth!

Anyway, Debi grabbed a pamphlet from the seminar on Ionithermie treatment that I couldn’t help but scan and post up here. What a bunch of bullpucky!!!!

I’m not an expert on biology or chemistry, but I’m fairly certain this treatment is absolutely worthless. I’ve included some links and comments intermixed with the pamphlets contents. But the big surprise comes at the end 🙂

From the pamphlet:

What is Cellulite?
There is a visible difference between “cellulite” fat and the fat on the rest of your body. Cellulite is the term we use for the lumpy fat normally found upon the thighs, buttocks and abdomen of both women and men. It gives the skin an orange peel, dullish look and can be cold to the touch. Areas with cellulite are generally more sensitive and more prone to bruising than those areas on the body without cellulite. Ionithermie can assist in reducing the appearance of cellulite by stimulating your internal systems to release toxins via the lymphatic drainage system.

Here’s a link to ‘cellulite’ on Wikipedia. Do note that it specifically states that the cosmetics industry claims to have a bunch of remedies, all of which are ineffective.

Cellulite and Genetics
Some women and men are more prone to cellulite than others and much of this is to do with genetics. If your parents were overweight in their youth or middle years and have cellulite, then you are prone to being overweight too. It is the same with cellulite and more often than not, it is genetically inherited. To reduce the appearance of cellulite you need to assist your body’s internal cleansing systems to eliminate toxins.

Based on what the article on cellulite says, there is probably some truth to this.

Cellulite and Age
As we get older our internal cleansing system naturally slows down and our body is not as efficient in eliminating toxins. In the middle years of life, most women and some men will experience some cellulite, the appearance of which can be lessened with diet, exercise and including Ionithermie in your lifestyle plan.

I don’t see a reference about the increasing inefficiency of the lymphatic system (which the pamphlet will bring up shortly) with age. What’s more, there are no references to the effectiveness of Ionithermie.

Cellulite and Health stimulates
your internal systems helping eliminate toxins in the body and
enhancing the circulation and metabolism. Bearing this in mind,
detoxifying with Ionithermie products and treatments can only benefit
your well-being.

I don’t see a reference about the increasing inefficiency of the lymphatic system (which the pamphlet will bring up shortly) with age. What’s more, there are no references to the effectiveness of Ionithermie.

Cellulite and Health
While cellulite is purely a cosmetic concern, Ionithermie stimulates your internal systems helping eliminate toxins in the body and enhancing the circulation and metabolism. Bearing this in mind, detoxifying with Ionithermie products and treatments can only benefit your well-being.

Notice the reference to ‘toxins’. Once again, there is no evidence here; no peer-reviewed references.

Ionithermie Cellulite Reduction
An Ionithermie Algae-Detox program is the most effective non-invasive way to reduce the appearance of cellulite, tone the body and give the skin appearance. Results can be noticed after just one session, although courses of three or six treatments may be recommended. Book in for a free consultation.

I love the last part here – three or six treatments. This is all about selling bogus treatment.

Enhance your Well-Being
Ionithermie and Detoxification
Detoxification is the cleansing or purifying of the body’s internal systems. Your kidneys and liver work 24 hours a day to cleanse away the waste and therefore any assistance you can give it is a gift to your health. Ionithermie can help encourage the healthy functioning of the body by diminishing the work load on the internal cleansing organs.

And how does it go about doing this?

Ionithermie and Arthritis
The severe pain of arthritis can be soothed with an ionithermie treatment. Because we use galvanic and faradic stimuli, waves of warm stimuli penetrate into the joints helping to improve the circulation. Because Arthritis affects the joints, carrying extra fluid or weight makes the condition even more painful. Ionithermie releases trapped fluids from the body, helps to restore a healthy metabolism and therefore also encourages weight loss.

Galvanic and Faradic stimuli? Here’s a link on Galvanic. Here’s a link on Faradic. They are basically just types of electric currents. Using big words doesn’t impress people who check the information they provide. In short, they are going to shock you and claim that this somehow is going to improve the circulation of your lymphatic system. Read up on the lymphatic system here and you’ll realize electric shocks will do absolutely nothing!!!

Finally, will electric shocks alleviate arthritis? Once again, there is absolutely no evidence for this claim. The authors of this pamphlet are no doubt hoping gullible older people will believe them, even though this is a fallacious, untrue claim.

Ionithermie and Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS)
Dr. Elisabeth Dancey, author of “The Cellulite Solution,” states that studies in colon disorders have been closely linked with cellulite. Cellulite on the tummy can be a result of a digestive disorder. Ionithermie may be able to assist IBS by releasing toxins in the tummy and therefore allowing for easier digestion of food.

*We would like to thank Dr. Elisabeth Dancey for her permission to use this information. Dr. Dancey’s book “The Cellulite Solution” is available atwww.amazon.com.

Their first reference is to a book written by an herbalist. Once again, sounds like a bunch of bogus.
Cellulite Reduction at Home

Preparation
Every morning before your shower, use the body brush to eliminate dead skin cells and restore normal circulation. This invigorates the lymphatic system which helps to eliminate toxins from the body.

How does removing dead skin cells restore normal circulation? This is such a bunch of bullcrap!

Tonic Silhouette
Tonic Silhouette prepares the skin to absorb the active ingredients of the firming and cellulite emulsifying creams. It contains potassium salts, vitamins A, E, H and F, Linden Plant extract and Allantoin. Cleansing with this astringent stimulates the circulation with a calming and healing action. Use once daily.

Not sure what the rest of this crap is supposed to do or be, but I found out what Allantoin is: a by product of urine! Do you feel refreshed knowing they are putting piss on you? What hooey!

A + B Ampoules
A + B ampoules primary function is to help emulsify cellulite. Active ingredients include Red Algae, to help eliminate toxins, Ivy to enhance the circulation, Guarana to improve the metabolism and Menthol Extract to cool and soothe the skin. To apply, wrap a tissue over the ampoule, carefully snap off the top and pour a little in your hand. Massage the entire contents into the area being treated. For best results use after the Tonic Silhouette.

Ampoules are glass bleakers – why not just call them that? Since when do red algae (not a propour noun) and Ivy serve these functions? Guarana is a stimulant due to its high caffeine content.

Metasysteme
Contains Algae, Amino Acids, and Mucopolysaccharides which accelerate the detoxifying effect of the A + B ampoules. It also contains sea base minerals to further detoxify and hyaloronic acid to strengthen and repair the connective tissues. Use after the A + B Ampoules.

More bogus…

What is Ionithermie Algae-Detox?
Ionithermie Algae-Detox treatments and products help reduce the appearance of cellulite, improve the texture of the skin and firm the body. Created by a French Bio-Chemist in the 1980’s, Ionithermie has continued to be the most effective non-invasive way of reducing the appearance of cellulite and toning the skin. Recently, Ionithermie treatments and products have become available in the United States. Visible results are recorded after just one session, although a course of three or six treatments may be recommended, depending upon your needs. Following your prescribed program, a monthly or six weekly booster treatment may be recommended.

How does Ionithermie work?
The treatment itself works using marine based products to aid detoxification, combined with galvanic and faradic stimuli. Galvanic stimuli assists the ability of the active ingredients to be absorbed into the effected areas. Faradic stimuli exercises the muscles for the duration of the treatment. It is a relaxing treatment and an effective, non-invasive way to firm, tone and lose inches. Most clients report an average loss of three inches after the first session.

The Procedure
Step 1:
Your therapist will measure you in approximately five different areas. Every area measured is marked with crayon so we can compare the measurements before and after your treatment. Your before measurements are written on your personal progress card.
Products rich in Algae, Kelp and Ivy are applied to the skin on the areas being treated.

Step 2:
A warm natural clay infused with Algae is applied to the area being treated and electrodes are placed in specific areas on the body. Galvanic and Faradic stimuli are activated, propelling the active ingredients into the skin and toning the muscles. The duration of the treatment is approximately one hour.

Step 3:
The clay and electrodes are removed. A cooling body lotion is applied to the treated area and then your therapist will re-measure your body. Results are recorded and compared to the pre-treatment measurement.

Having read through this, I’m thoroughly convinced it is a bunch of bullcrap. But if the language and deception isn’t enough to convince you that this is all crap, check out this picture they use to sell the treatment:
ionithermie-girl.jpg

This is the only part of the pamphlet I like – but it doesn’t convince me of the effectiveness of Ionithermie. Don’t waste your money!

21 Responses to “cruise comments 2 – the spa”

1. Krissy Says:
February 18th, 2005 at 10:57 am
I had to leave a comment here for you. On a cruise, I did fall for B.S. and had one treatment. And it does work, personally I don’t think the mask does anything for the “cellulite”-but the electric pulsations that they attach to the stomach area, do “shock” the nerves which in turn must tighten the muscles. Many physical therapists use this same technology in treatments. I lost inches-in one session-but I think it was the electric pulsations that are the equivilant of doing 1000 sit ups. It firms things up and tightens you up for a few days. After a few days on a cruise, when lets face it all you do is eat! This is a welcome treatment.

Also when they say you can loose inches in one session-you do, however, they measure you at various points. The waist, hips, etc:and if you loose an inch from your waist (which I did) and an inch from your hips-they add those numbers together. I doubt anyone would loose 3 inches from their waist alone or something to that effect.

2. Ryan Cragun Says:
February 18th, 2005 at 4:04 pm
Hi Krissy,
Thanks for the thought. I’ve heard from one other person as well about how the ‘electricity’ treatment does seem to drop inches off different parts of your body. You may be right in that it works the muscles, but I would actually be a little concerned if just exercising muscles dropped an inch off my waist in an hour. In fact, I’d be more than a little concerned as it takes a long time to drop that much weight or lose that much tissue mass.

My guess is that if you did the measuring yourself, you’d find that you didn’t actually lose any inches. The measuring, of course, is done by the spa attendant who, more than likely, is ‘exaggerating’ your measurements the first time then pulling a bit tight the second time. This is no different than the sleight-of-hand used by magicians and, for some people I’m sure, just as convincing.

Do keep in mind, however, that this is just my guess as to what is happening. Without good, objective tests under controlled conditions (i.e. in a laboratory with multiple people taking the measurements) I cannot be certain this is what is happening, but that would be my guess.

One more way of thinking about this may help: Why do you suppose they don’t weigh you instead of measuring you? If they weighed you, you would be able to actually see what the scale says. You would see the weight the first time and the second time and know that you hadn’t lost any weight.

Anyway, thank you for the post. I really don’t mean to give the impression that people who buy into these spa treatments are gullible or anything – I know a number of particularly non-gullible people who do them too. They no doubt feel good, and that is a positive in itself. I just want people to realize that all of the claims they make about the remarkable things these treatments are supposed to do aren’t true.

3. Ryan Cragun Says:
February 25th, 2005 at 8:38 am
Krissy sent me these final thoughts:

Hi Ryan,

thanks for the follow up. It is odd and I thought the same thing-I was very skeptical. However, after 4 days of eating on that cruise-it was a despirate attempt to feel human again and not like jaba the hut!

The algae mask-it think just makes your skin feel nice. I did the pre and post measuring myself. I did loose an inch-and more importantly:my clothes felt perfect again!

I really don’t think that you are not loosing weight, you are not loosing any mass per se-you are only tightening up what you have. The effects only lasted a few days-but after all that eating, it was nice to able to put on that evening dress and feel comfortable.

Actually, I came across your post because I was looking for a spa to have it done again. I have a friend’s wedding coming up and as the Maid of Honor-I wanted a little “help” with the dress. It certainly isn’t something I would do all the time-but a quick toning that will last a few days-can’t really see the bad in it.

Its always interesting to see what someone else has to say-and generally speaking-I would have to agree with you:but not this time 🙂

4. Deisree Says:
March 30th, 2005 at 8:53 pm
I also had this done on a cruz, and I am always skeptical about weightloss without hard work, but this is not weightloss. This is a cellulite treatment. I have a bunch of cellulite on my legs and tummy, after my one treatment, it was GONE!!! It came back after about a month, slowly of course, but there is no dought it definetly took away the cellulite for a while. So my experiance is that while the effects are not permanent, it does work. How you can say it is a scam without ever having tried it sounds judgemental and ignorant to me. Of course thats my opion. Desiree’

5. Ryan Cragun Says:
March 31st, 2005 at 8:03 am
Desiree,
I just want to point out a couple of things: You say the cellulite was ‘GONE’, but it came back. If it were really ‘GONE’, it would not have come back. What’s the point of temporarily ‘removing’ (better said, temporarily hiding) the cellulite?

Also, the point of my post was to call into question the sketchy claims of spas and point out they do not reveal how they actually achieve any results (including temporarily hiding your cellulite). If a medical doctor (which spa therapists are not) told you he was going to ‘magically’ shrink a cancerous tumor you have using seawood and olive oil, would you just believe him or would you want to know how the process is supposed to work?

Maybe you would believe. I wouldn’t. I’d ask for peer-reviewed research illustrating that his ‘magical’ treatment works before I’d let him touch me.

In short, spa treatments may feel good (I’m not arguing that), and they may seem to give results (though I do think any ‘results’ are deceptive), but they also make impossible claims and do not back them up with scientific research.

Go ahead and go to the spa; I’m not saying you can’t or shouldn’t. I just think people should be aware of the false claims spas make.

6. Desiree Says:
June 12th, 2005 at 12:56 pm
We are talking about cellulite, not cancer! If I had cancer, I certanly would not go for a spa teatment to cure it. I how ever can give you more insite as to why it works and why my cellulite came back. When I said that the cellulite came back, what I should have said is that I gained 10 pounds on the cruise and I gained another 8 after the cruise in the two months following. Your body always makes new fat when you gain weight, and as a result I got new cellulite. when I first wrote to you, I came across your site while I was trying to find out where I could have this done again. I was realy mad because you seemed so narow minded about something you never even tried. Now I see how you would be sceptical about something and want more answers, so here are the reasons the treatment does work. There is galvanis and feradic electricity that pulse through your body, with positive and negative electrodes that deliver the pulse, similar to a “tens unit” used by doctors and chiropractors. they simulate and work your muscels to strenghten and tighten them for 30 minutes, as you know when you work muscels, you burn fat. This is a fact. The process makes you sweat, pulling out toxins traped in your muscels and the fat you are burning. This is also a fact. The clay and alge helps conduct the electrity and like any type of facial mask helps take impuritys from your skin, leaving a hydrated and smooth fealing. this isn’t rocket science, it is very easy to understand. If you were to have had a treatment and experenced the working of your muscels you would probably understand a little better. Since reading and replying to you, I have invested in buying an Ionithermie machine. I opend with one customer the first day of buisness, three the second day, and without any advertising except word of mouth, I have been booked every day since. SO even if You dont think it could possibly work, I have 45 very happy clients who would beg to differ. I offer a no money unless you are completely satisified policy, and I havent had one dissatisfied customer. I think that speeks for its self. Desiree P.S. thanks for the inspiration.

7. ryan Says:
June 14th, 2005 at 10:22 am
Hi Desiree,

Thanks for the feedback.

Just a couple of quick points:

First, the galvanic and feradic electricities aren’t anything special. I addressed this in the article above. Second, clay and algae aren’t going to help conduct electricity. Their conductive properties aren’t any better than those of the human body (and, in fact, clay’s properties are worse). Finally, without specifying the ‘toxins’ that are removed from the body, I’m forced to return to my claim of bullcrap on this. Adrenaline is not a toxin. Uric acid is a toxin. You can’t just say ‘toxins’ are being removed from the body and expect me to believe you.

I appreciate you trying to clarify the process, but I need better definitions and falsifiable claims (X does Y). As you can see, when you do actually give falsifiable claims (like clay conducting electricity), they are generally refutable.

I wish I could say that I am happy you are making money with your machine. But given my hesitations about the claims you and other ionithermie advocates make, I can’t help but think you are hoodwinking your clients. Don’t get me wrong: maybe your machine does seem to shrink fat cells. But it obviously isn’t a long term solution to obesity or your clients wouldn’t have to come back. And, without clear explanations for why and which ‘toxins’ are bad and how your service removes them, I remain skeptical.

Best,
Ryan

8. Desiree Says:
June 25th, 2005 at 10:18 am
Well actualy, your are wrong about clay not conducting electricity, just another example of your ignorance. I dont know what if any backround you might have in chemistry or biology, but it appears you have none. feradic electricity is what is used in a “tens” unit to strengthen muscels and galvanic electricity is used in conjunction to promote circulation throught the body. Both are used widly in the medical profession on a daily basis, so saying they aren’t anything special seams to be dismissing the medical tecnology used every where. If you are not aware of what toxins are released through fat burning and sweat, you obviously never took health in highschool. Who said adrenaline was a toxin? Customers dont have to continue comming back to maintain their results, the come back to get even more results. customers are measured each time they come in, before and after treatment. The measurments on almost every customer are continualy smaller every time. Once again, you can’t say something doesn’t work if you have never tryed it and dont have the knowledge to dispute it. Clearly you are just a a man with little backround in what you are disputing and with nothing better to do. By the way, I have treated two medical doctors and I now offer the treatments in their office, with their approval and backing. both have a great reputation and a PHD, which you obviously do not.

9. ryan Says:
June 25th, 2005 at 10:50 am
Desiree: We aren’t getting anywhere with this. Look, I’m happy to accept your arguments providing you actually explain your claims to me using scientific terminology. Preferrably you would actually give me references to peer-reviewed articles in academic publications. Your most recent post doesn’t add anything to the discussion; it just insults my intelligence.

Some specific points. I didn’t say ‘clay doesn’t conduct electricity’. I said, “Clay does not conduct electricity as well as the human body.” It has been used as a housing for ancient batteries because of its electrical conduction properties (when dry, it is highly resistant to the conduction of electricity). Now, a wet clay will certainly be more conductive than a dry clay, but either way, clay isn’t particularly conductive and certainly no more so than the human body. Once again, if you are going to disagree with me, that’s fine. But I’m not changing my position without evidence on your part. Calling me names and insinuating that I’m an idiot won’t get you anywhere.

On Faradic (see your spelling; you get it wrong every time) and Galvanic electricity: You really should check your information. Galvanism is not a ‘type’ of electricity but rather the contraction of a muscle resulting from an electronic current. In that sense, galvanic electricity is normal electricity applied to muscles. There is nothing special about ‘galvanic electricity’ – its just electricity applied to muscles. A farad is a measurement of capacitance of a medium. Again, it is not some special form of electricity. It is a measurement of electricity. Michael Faraday developed a unique form of intermittent alternating current that is called ‘faradic’, but the properties of this current are nothing special. In short, what you are doing by touting your ‘galvanic’ and ‘faradic’ treatments is tapping into people’s ignorance. That is shameful and appalling!

As for toxins:. I’m asking a simple favor: Don’t just say ‘toxins’, tell me what, exactly, this treatment helps. Does it facilitate the removal of uric acid? Lactic acid? What? Toxins is a catch all phrase that sounds scary. And, in my opinion, that is precisely the point. Unless you specify which toxins are being removed, you can get away with your fear-mongering. I, for one, am calling this what it is – bullshit!

I don’t know anything about the ‘measurements’. I’ll admit as much because I’ve never had one of these treatments and I know nothing about how they actually take the measurements. I could claim ‘guilt by association’, but I won’t.

Finally, medical doctors have M.D.s not PhDs (though some also get PhDs). Just because an M.D. likes something doesn’t mean they are an expert in it. Some M.D.’s still smoke; does that mean they ‘know smoking is good for you’? You can’t just make appeals to some misbegotten authority and think I’m going to cowardly bow down. Give me references; show me the data!

Finally, I am currently working on a PhD in sociology, a completely unrelated field, and don’t claim any particular expertise on the benefits of Ionithermie treatments. However, with my ‘high school’ education (which you desperately want to claim means something), I am knowledgeable enough to recognize that your claims are superficial and general and warrant further investigation. Unless you can provide me with specific references to scientific research illustrating that your claims have merit, then I will continue to think what I do about Ionithermie – it’s bunk!

10. ryan Says:
June 25th, 2005 at 1:13 pm
Let me see if I can simplify things, Desiree. Answer the following questions using technical terms and references to peer-reviewed journals (like the New England Journal of Medicine):

1) Which toxins are removed from the body using Ionithermie (or whatever treatment it is you do) and how?
2) Define ‘faradic’ and ‘galvanic’ and explain exactly what they do in the treatment you perform.
3) Give me exact measurements of the conductivity of clay, algae, and the human body (preferrably for clay both when wet and when dry).
4) Explain in detail how you take measurements of your customers’ before and after their treatments.

If you can provide satisfactory answers to these questions, I’ll back down, admit that I am wrong, and shave my head bald.

11. ryan Says:
August 15th, 2005 at 8:35 am
While this doesn’t exactly address the ionithermie question, I found this article in the New York Times that does address the issue of cellulite and found it relevant enough to post from:

Article:

Excerpts:

If only Dove would also come clean about its firming lotions. The truth is that anticellulite creams don’t work.

That’s why Dove, which is owned by Unilever, makes the campaign about images, not facts. Perhaps that explains why the multinational company’s elaborate marketing includes a 48-page report on women’s attitudes about beauty, but not one sentence giving information about how its firming ointments were “tested on real curves,” reducing flesh dimpling in just two weeks.

Despite my repeated requests, Dove declined to release testing data – not surprising considering the pseudo-scientific babble driving this more than $40 million market, according to figures from research firms NPD Group and Information Resources.

Of course, snake oil isn’t all bad. The Dove lotions largely contain glycerin, an old-fashioned moisturizer that your grandmother might have used. And studies show that women see improvement from fake creams with no active ingredients – a visual placebo. Considering today’s pressure to be beautiful, women may need that.

But according to 27 years of medical literature recently reviewed in the Journal of Cosmetic and Laser Therapy, scientific proof that creams make a real, lasting difference does not exist. “There is no evidence to show that any topical medications improve cellulite,” says Dr. Mathew Avram, the study’s author and a Harvard Medical School faculty member.

Yet marketers and even some doctors promote the idea that lumpy flesh is a shameful but treatable condition caused by aging and obesity. That is, if you call puberty “aging,” because that’s when skin dimpling first appears, likely connected to the release of female hormones. (For that reason, oral contraceptives may worsen skin puckering, and males who lose testosterone after prostate surgery may develop it.)

Cellulite is a concocted idea imported from France. Hardly a disease or condition, it is how fat is arranged inside the female body, especially on thighs, hips and rear. And it affects some 90 percent of adult women. To change it, says Dr. Avram, you’d have to rejigger underlying body architecture, which is why exercising and losing weight helps some. But only some. “What you have here is normal female physiology,” he says. “Skinny women have it too.”

While laws in the United States allow companies to hedge product claims with phrases like “appearance of” or “look of,” that doesn’t fly in Britain. This spring, the British advertising industry’s self-financed watchdog ruled that Estée Lauder’s advertising for Body Performance Anti-Cellulite Visible Contouring Serum misled consumers. The beauty company’s research, the agency found, failed to prove that its “thermogenic complex” actually “melts away the fatty look of cellulite,” reducing “the appearance of cellulite.”

Why didn’t the British accept the “appearance of” trick in a ruling affecting the whole industry? “We believe,” says Matthew Wilson, of the British Advertising Standards Authority “the consumer might be confused.”

Oh.

Though Estée Lauder executives insist their research is valid, the company pulled the advertisement, sparking bad publicity and debate in Britain over truth in advertising. Yet the scandal received little or no coverage in the United States, though Estée Lauder has run nearly identical advertisements here (in this paper, among others), sells the cream here and continues to make even stronger claims about the product’s virtues on its Web site.

Instead, this summer the American media ran dozens of articles and broadcasts debating the “look of” and “appearance of” the images in Dove’s campaign. Journalists, at least, should go beyond “appearances of,” even if the embattled, overburdened Food and Drug Administration and the Federal Trade Commission can investigate only the most egregious, dangerous frauds.

On the bright side, at least Dove’s firming lotions are cheap, averaging about $8 a bottle compared with $50 a bottle for Estée Lauder’s cream. It’s nice when snake oil is reasonably priced. But if Dove truly wants to “help women feel that beauty is within their reach,” as its campaign claims, the company should stick to soap, moisturizer and the truth: Any woman worried about dimpled flesh while vamping on a giant billboard in white bra and panties would benefit far more from a little chiffon wrap than bogus lotions.

12. Linda Says:
September 28th, 2005 at 12:14 pm
Ryan, WOW, didn’t take the time to read all of the post, but gather you are not a beliver in the Ionithermie treatments or products. I like Desiree was looking online to find where in the US the treatments are available (for friends) when I came across these post.

I had my 1st treatments on a cruise in 1995, again on a crusie in 2000 and then again on a cruise this year, 2005. I obviously have seen results or would not continue to invest in these treatments. I see immediate results in inch loss, firmness of skin, and reduction of cellulite. BUT one round of treatment will not give permanent results, therefore I opt for 3 treatments and follow up with home care consisting of the use of external products (36 days) and internal products (6 mos of Elemis – algae type products).

The total cost this go round for everything was $1,150. This combination of treatments and home care does provide permanent resuslts. You may ask if permanent, then why repeat every 5 years. Well, although I don’t have a weight problem, I do over a period of 5 years load my body up with toxins from things such as caffine, medications, and many other everyday things. The whole point of this program is to flush your body of the toxins that have built up through out your body. These toxins prevent your body from functioning at its optimum resulting in many problems that are dismissed as just getting older. I was 31 years old when I did my first round of the program and am 46 now. The benefits I feel and see at this age are much greater than what I experienced 15 years ago. Not only do I see and feel results, but family, friends, and most importantly my husband see the results. So much so that my husband decided this year he would also go through what we call our “DETOX”.

It really doesn’t matter to me that you think this is a bunch of BS. I just thought I’d let you and others know that IONITERMIE does give significant results if you do it right. The toxins don’t build up in your body in one day and you can’t get rid of them in one treatment. Because over time you reload you body up with toxins, you will have to DETOX again about every 3 to 5 years. If it weren’t for continuing to load up on toxins from everyday things, you could technically say the results would be permanent.

FYI, in addition to the weight loss, inch loss, loss of cellulite, and increased enery levels, we are primarily doing it for our imporved health. We are planning to be able to improve my husbands cholestoral level so that he will be able ot get off of his medication. We know someone how was able to do this as a result of this program.

GOOD LUCK to all. To anyone interested in this program, try it for yourself. If it doesn’t work for you, you’ve lost a little money, but at least you know for yourself whether or not it works for you. Don’t let someone who has never tried it for himself convince you it’s a bunch of BS. It works! I and thousands other over that last 20 years and all through out Europe are poof. It is just getting to the US and until it becomes more well known, people are going to be skeptical and that’s OK. Probably most cellulite treatments in the US don’t work.

Anyway, GOOD LUCK to all.

13. ryan Says:
October 4th, 2005 at 9:51 am
Hi Linda. I appreciate your comments but I believe my criticisms remain valid. Consider for a second what you are saying: You believe you have to detox every few years. But what you are detoxing from is normal, everyday consumables. Until someone can show me peer-reviewed research in a professional publication illustrating that sugar, adrenaline, and other naturally occurring substances are actually toxins (look up what that word means, please!), I am going to continue in my belief that Ionithermie is a fraud. You don’t need to “Detox” from what you normally eat. They are feeding you a line of BS and you have, unfortunately, bought into it at great expense to yourself and your husband.

Don’t get me wrong – the treatment may feel good and it may seem as though they have firmed up your skin (sucking moisture out will do that), but it is obviously not permanent and IS designed to ensure that you will be coming back (every few years, at the very least).

Sure, people can try this crap, but I’d suggest not wasting your money. If you want to believe that it works despite the fact there is no evidence to indicate as much and you have to keep shelling out thousands of dollars, that’s your prerogative. I just think it is a serious waste of time and money. Go get a massage if you want to feel better – masseuses don’t claim to work miracles and don’t charge a thousand dollars at a pop!

14. Linda Says:
October 7th, 2005 at 1:33 pm
Ryan, I only have a few comment in response and will not waste my time with you anymore.

The toxins that are built up in your body over time are not the natural consumables such as sugar but rather the chemicals put into food and drinks such as preservatives and sweetner substitutes to name a few. We also absorb toxins into our body thru chemicals in everyday things such as lotions and toothpaste. Some of these chemicals/toxins can be avoided (i.e. aspertaime in diet drinks) by simply making alternative choices. But other chemicals in everday things such as toothpaste, lotions, and some medications are not practical to aviod. Other toxins such as the cortisol hormone your body produces in response to stress are impossible to avoid. Therefore as I said before it is necessary to go through a detoxification program every 4 or 5 years for your body to be able to function at its optimum. When your bodily organs are not polluted with toxic build up they are able to function as designed and elimimate a lot of ailments that are often assumed to be symptoms of getting older. Your risk of diabetes, high cholesteral , and other medical problems is also reduced as a result of your body functioning at its best.

I’m not sure why you insist that I only think the IONITHERMIE treatment has firmed up my skin and gotten rid of my cellulite. IT HAS. And I can say for the third time in 15 years that the results last for years, not days or months. If I had better discipline in my choice of what I eat and drink and excerised like I should, I probably would’nt have to go through the treatments every 5 years for the new cellulite I have acquired. But I would do it anyway just for the health benefit of detoxifying my internal systems.

Again, I don’t know what more evidence you think I need as proof that IONITHERMIE works. I am my own proof and that’s good enough for me. As far as you needing evidence in professional publications regardins toxins and its effects on the body, I don’t know where you’re looking but you’re not looking hard enough because it’s there. Don’t ask me to give you specific publications because I’m not going to spend that much time trying to educate you on the subject. But I will say there was a medical doctor on the Caribbean Princess attending the same seminar with me and he was also going through the Detox program. So it’s not just us poor uneducated suckers as you seem to believe that are spending money on what you believe only makes us think we feel better. But it’s actually educated people that are investing money in our health and seeing results. And my health is worth every penny I spent. The fact that at age 46 my rear and legs are still worth looking at is only an added bonus.

I would venture to guess that you are not yet approaching 50 and take your health for granted. I would suggest that you consider not being so closed minded to something that could make a difference in how you enjoy the later years in your life. Good health is a big part of the gold in your golden years. I’d be a little more open minded to starting the gold accumulation process now.

Good luck! If I win the lottery, I’ll pay for your detox program (both internal and external) so you can see the benefits for yourself (although if you’re still in your 20’s your may not feel or see result yet -depending on your current condition). There are many spas in the US that provide IONITHERMIE, maybe one is near you.

P.S. It’s ironic that the name of the spa director that gave the detox seminar and has a degree in Human Physiology was also named Ryan.Wish he could provide you directly with the details you seem to be missing.

15. Desiree Says:
October 9th, 2005 at 4:56 pm
Linda, Thank you for your comments!!! The last time I looked at this page and read what ryan had written, I thought it would be my last. It amazes me that someone can keep being so negative about something they have never tryed, then when people tell him about their experence he dismisses them and implies they dont know what they are talking about. lucky for me he sounds so much like a moron, because I have had clients read his blog and the comments left by others, and they still opt to get the ionithermie done. linda, if you are ever in Idaho, look me up (i am the only ionithermie tec in idaho) and I would be glad to give both you and your husband a treatment at cost.

Ryan, get a life! Desiree’

16. ryan Says:
October 9th, 2005 at 10:26 pm
Linda & Desiree,

You two crack me up. At what point have I ever said that the process is not pleasurable or that it doesn’t “seem to work”? I never said that. I’ve never dismissed the process outright. All I ever said is that I am skeptical of the claims that are made by the ionithermie treatment. It claims it is ridding the body of “toxins”. Okay, great. So, tell me, what are these “toxins” and how does it remove them? And tell me how does it actually remove cellulite? Those really are simple questions. Neither of you have answered them. All you have said is, “I liked it” and “Well, it did it temporarily so I had to go back.” Fine, great. Go for it. It’s your money.

I may be different than you both are in the way I approach things, but I’m unwilling to spend money on things I don’t understand. If I went to my primary care physician and he told me that I needed to have my tummy rubbed with a clay-based exfoliating agent to remove the toxins in it and that it only costs $1000.00, I’d still say, “Why?” And, just like I have done with both of you, I would ask for evidence that his suggested treatment would be effective. If he cannot provide that evidence, than I would not be willing to undergo the treatment.

Neither of you have explained the process nor explained how it works. If you can do so, I’m happy to consider it worthwhile. But you have not and will not provide the evidence I am asking for. You can dismiss me. You can say that I don’t have a clue because I’ve never done it. But that argument doesn’t work here. I don’t know what it’s like to break my leg but that doesn’t mean I’m going to do it just to experience it. I don’t have to experience everything in the world before determining if it is or is not a scam. I have not seen any evidence (and I repeat – YOU WILL NOT SHOW ME ANY EVIDENCE) suggesting Ionithermie does what it claims. Show me pictures. Show me a newspaper story. Show me anything. But instead you just say, “Well, it worked for me so I’m going to do it.” Fine, do it.

The whole point of my original blog post is that I was skeptical. That doesn’t mean you can’t do. Hell, it appears you both are going to do it anyway. Great! Have fun. But I’m not going to do it. Is that a problem?

P.S. I find this whole thing bizarre. I’m a 28 year-old vegetarian who exercises daily. I seldom use hand moisturizer or any type of lotion on my skin. I don’t smoke, drink alcohol, or even caffeinated beverages. By all accounts I’m not the person this treatment is being marketed to. And, what’s more, I’m arguing with what I presume are two middle-aged women. We have remarkably different life experiences. Do you really think you are going to convince me without substantial evidence that this is a worthwhile process? Come on. I obviously don’t need it. You’re welcome to post on my blog. I invite it. But just ranting and raving about how I don’t know what I’m talking about isn’t getting us anywhere. I went to the trouble of looking up information on Ionithermie. I would hope you could do the same.

17. Desiree Says:
October 19th, 2005 at 11:47 pm
Ryan, It amazes me that you are so unable to read what has been written over and over again. I have told you how and why ionithermie works and you cant seem to get it! SO hear I go again. ionithermie uses electricity to stimulate you body, and muscels. when you are bein treated there are electrodes attached to your body that has been covered with clay, the clay acts as a conductor to pulse the electricity to the specific area being treated. It is very similar to a treatment used by doctors all over the world to stregthen week or injured muscles. when the electricity is in pulsing through the body it makes the muscles contract. so it is like exercising, burning fat, and releasing toxins from your body. I am sorry that I cannot give you a specific list as to what toxins, but you are welcome to ask anyone in the medical field as to which toxins are released during exercise. Linda already explaned about toxins in a persons body, hopefuly you re-read that part, bein as you must have skiped it the first time. Ionithermie reduces the appearance of cellulite, which is fat by shrinking the fat cells by burning them off. there is also the the process of stimulating the limph system that carrys fat and toxins out of a persons body. If you were to read the past replies to your blog that I have written or go on the Dragonfly web site you can read all about the where and why, but do me a favor dont say we havent tried to answer your questions, just re-read the comments. Also I am a very fit young 30 year old, and I dont consider that to be middle aged yet. I only hope by taking good care of my body that someday I will get there. When you say you have gone through the troble to “look up info on ionithermie” I doubt you looked too hard, and reading only the part you want to, and not the whole thing doesnt realy count. No surprise at 28 you are still not finnished with school!

18. ginny Says:
October 22nd, 2005 at 4:16 pm
Wow! I too went on a cruz and thought I’d rather spend my $$ on the Spa” thing:everything. Pampered, I guess. Permanent, I doubt it. Costly? Souveniers are cheaper. I’ve enjoyed reading the discussion above, but have no definitive opinion, but it’s got me thinking.

19. ryan Says:
October 23rd, 2005 at 10:16 am
Hi Ginny,

I’m glad the discussion has at least made you think about things a bit. I doubt I’ll convince very many people the claims made by the Ionithermie practitioners are very, very questionable, but I’m trying.

Ryan

20. chris Says:
February 1st, 2006 at 8:59 pm
Ryan, came across your blog while looking for an explanation of these mythical “toxins” coursing through my veins. I laughed and laughed at this discussion. It would seem your opponents have neither any concept of the scientific method nor any appreciation for objectivity.

It looks as though this discussion is over, so I’ll keep this post brief. If I find any concrete proof of even one of these toxins I’ll post the link here.

21. Alfredo Says:
March 2nd, 2006 at 2:34 pm
Awesome! Thanks.

33 Replies to “Ionithermie”

  1. Ryan,
    Just a thought…..It doesn’t appear that these treatments could be harmful in anyway.  Why not try it and see what you think?  Couldn’t hurt (unless the $100 is more than you can spare for the sake of experimentation).

  2. Hi Tammy,

    You’re right that I could afford $100.  Alas, I’m not going to do it.  The reason why is because the science behind the claims of Ionithermie is not sound.  It may feel good, but there is no way that it can actually work as it says it does.  I feel no need to actually pay money to find out that I’m right.  If you’ll donate the money, well, maybe then… 😉

    Best,

    Ryan

    1. Hi, I just completed three treatments with amazing results. IDK how long it will last but it is a great head start.
      I think the info that you are missing is this. When you’re fat cells are irritated and inflamed from the toxins they are bathing in and you de-toxify by this “exercise” then your fat cells decrease in size and the result in my case was a loss of love handles and inches off my stomach.

  3. I read your posting, and I have to say, as a health professional I wish you had more understanding before you go and “debunk”

    I personally am a Doctor of Chiropractic, have been a Massage Therapist for 6 years (and had worked 2 years on ships with these treatments) and have a degree in personal training.

    The reason we use the terms “toxins” as a general term, is just that. We dont want to make things to complicated for the normal person who doesnt have a background in Physiology and anatomy.

    Although on the ships there is a big push to sell, a lot of the things the products and treatments are based on do actually work. On occasion the therapist will exaggerate the claims to try to make more money, but that doesnt mean it does not work. I would suggest you do a little more research before you claim that the entire profession of massage and treatments are a sham for your money. If you had a understanding of how the lymph system works, how body brushing works, how water retention works, the physiology of the cellulite process than you would understand this system.

    Basically to me is sounds like if it doesn’t come in pill form, or from your medical doctor you don’t believe in it. Some things are hard to understand and you have to have a open mind. Things like acupuncture, massage, chiropractic may be alternative, but it doesn’t mean its a sham to make money.

    Al

  4. Hi Al/Ryan (not sure what your name is),

    I appreciate you taking the time to comment, but do want to make you aware of the fact that I did do my research. If you read the post more closely you’ll see that I examined every single claim of Ionithermie in detail and found every one of them lacking.

    Additionally, you may want to surf around a bit more on my blog before you try to convince me that alternative medicine is effective. I have looked into quite a bit of the scientific research on alternative medicine and the evidence against its effectiveness is overwhelming:

    Also, you may want to reconsider the “keep an open-mind” statement as I’m actually the one with the open-mind:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI

    In short, by definition, alternative medicine is not founded on scientific evidence. As a result, I don’t consider it legitimate and absolutely will not recommend it. If you want to convince me, provide double-blind, peer-reviewed, placebo-controlled, randomized trials to support your claims. Otherwise, I’ll stick with the legitimate science.

    Best,

    Ryan

  5. Hi Ryan.

    I’m an Esthetician and perform Ionithermie on clients daily. I have to say when I first heard about this treatment I was also skeptical. I couldn’t imagine how a mixture of clay and algae topped with electrodes could aid in the elimination of toxins and the reduction of cellilite. Then I went through advanced training on how to use the machine and how exactly the machine worked. I was able to get a series of treatments done and was able to make my own opion about the treatment from my expierence. It did work. The clay is mixed with algae because it is very detoxifing. Thats why you may hear of different types of cellulite treatments done with algae. Some actually wrap their clients up in an algae mixture, and when they are unwrapped their body has actually sweat out thier toxins. This helps improve cellulite because cellulite is a build up of toxins, so therefore if you can eliminate them, and can improve your cellulite. The reason the treatments are recommened in a series is because there are different stages of cellulite. The higher the stage (stage 4 is the highest) the more treatments you may need. The machine also has different levels of intensity (depending on what the client can handle) that increases or decreases the feeling of the muscle flexing. The reason they call the ampoules ampoules is because they are so just that. There are three different types used in the treatment. The two most important, negative and positive, actualy make the treatment work. Without these two solutions the conncetion would not be as effective. The treatment also is a great motivation on begining a new healthy live style. It makes people want to take care of themselves better, eat healthier, and work out more. After a few Ionithermies when you do work out you feel it a lot more because the machine trigger muscles that are difficult to workout on your own. Once these muscles are activated a dramatic change in the skin and body take place.
    You have asked for “proof”.. go to their website there are several before and after pictuers along with comments from well known and respected physicians. If you have any questions about this treatment, because you do seem to have a passion about it, I’d be happy to answer them, because I have the facts.

    Thanks
    -Kate

  6. Hi Kate,

    I do have questions.

    1) What “toxins” are supposedly being removed?
    2) What is your evidence that “cellulite is toxins”?
    3) Have any independent scientists verified that this works?
    4) How does the mixture of clay and algae scientifically work to extract toxins and or reduce cellulite?

    I would prefer that you answer with peer-reviewed articles, but even if you can provide scientific explanations, that would be great. As you can see from the above discussion, no one has ever been able to respond to the criticisms I have leveled of ionithermie. Those criticisms are summarized in the above questions.

    1. Hi Ryan
      I introduce me, my name is Lidia Bogojel and I am a beauty therapist.I have begun in 2000 my studies as it regards the cosmetic and the aesthetics. For the truth as person I am very sceptic in as things. To understand as the treatments they work on the body it needs to know the human body and as it works.
      Before I begin I want to find out and asking a few questions about your bodie and if you are concerned about one or more of the following: Fluid retension, Poor circulation, Loss of skin tone / firmness, Cellulite, Abdominal bloating, Joint and pains, Stubborn wight gain in a specific site?
      Most of us will have problems we want to target.Perhaps you have tried a healthy eating program in the past..Maybe you have tried extreme diets to give you results, such as drastically reducing your calorie intake.
      A lots of people try to do this..but I would like to know if someone felt got results from this program or Was it easy to mantain
      Now I want to ask you if you know “WHAT A TOXIN IS? (POISONS!!!)
      and WHERE TOXINS COME FROME?
      I want to give you some examples of toxins
      NATURAL :Are the solution that your body create, such as old cells, infection and lactic acid etc
      OBVIOUS:Caffeine, cigarettes and alcohol
      HIDDEN: 1)Medication-over 90% of people used non prescription medication (are synthetic drugs and the LIVER has to work hard to break them down)
      2) Hormones in our meat
      3) Even the air we breathe has pollutants and chemicals from car fumes and industrial plants
      MANY OF THESE TOXINS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR CAUSING AND CONTRIBUTING TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT YOU ARE EXPERIENCING BUT DOESN’T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.THESE TOXINS QUIETLY AND GRADUALLY BUILD UP OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS, JUST LIKE A BATH TUB WITH A BLOCKEDPLUG AND DRIPPING TAP.
      Now Ryan I would want to make you understand what it happens to our body and what the toxins do, as they succeed in destroying the fabrics and the correct operation .
      DO YOU KNOW WICH ORGAN IS RESPONSIBLE FOR BREAKING DOWN FAT?
      -The LIVER!! ( very good) . Let me explain how your body breaks down fat.THE FAT is broken down within the LIVER to GLYCOGEN or SUGAR, and the SUGAR is what muscles function on.
      This process NEVER changes, troughout your life, however it does affected.The reason is gets affected is due to your lymphatic system.So if toxins are going in but not coming out they begin to build up.These toxins are then stored in your lymph node areas.
      _ Neck (cervical) Armpit ( under arms) Groin( inguinal)
      Spleen . ..Popliteal…etc
      These toxins build up within our lymphatic system and if they are NOT excreted then they will be stored within your lymph nodes, however your lymph nodes have a limited capacity and can only hold so many toxins. Just like a bootle of water-if I place more than a litre of water in here what will happen?
      YES!, it will overflow and the same happens within your body, these TOXINS overflow and come into contact with your FAT cells.
      WE must remember the importance of the FAT cells(healthy) in our bodies!!!!!
      What do TOXINS do to your cells? THEY oxidize them
      Imagine an apple ,,,When you cut it in half and leave it for a moment, what happens ? (Do it for me please). Exactly , it turns brown and dies in front of you and the same oxidization process happens to your FAT cells, the toxins also oxidize them.
      However your body cannot allow to happen , WHY?
      Because it needs FAT …THE FAT is broken down within the LIVER to GLYCOGEN or SUGAR, and the SUGAR is what muscles function on.YES!!!energy.So what the body will do to protect the FATcells, is send in water because water is your body’s natural defensive mechanism, so if anything goes wrong water will be retained immediately.
      A perfect example of this is when you twiat your ankle.What happens straight away?..Yes, it swells up with water as water is used to protect the ankle from any more damage. The same protection occurs around your cells colose your LYMH NODE are
      Do this for me: Take your forearm and pinch it, whilst pinching it tap next to that area. Does it wobble, shake or move?
      When the TOXINS are deposited from the LIVER and LYMPH system together with the fluid surrounding the FAT cells, the congestion that then occurs has a knock on effect.WE can see why fluid retention starts. But in addition to this the tiny blood capillaries that feed the connective tissue are squashed, causing problems to occur such as bruising…spider veins…hot and cold spots…and poor circulation.
      When this happens it can also cause the collagen and elastin in the connective tissue to weaken, creating a LOSSof SKIN FIRMNESS or STRETCH MARKS
      For some people the distortion on the tissues is visible to the eye , we know this as CELLULITE!
      Many people of us have a problems with weight gain around our ABDOMEN or ABDOMINAL BLOATING, we know it may be linked to a sluggish digestion, but often we not know exactly why it happens.Whenever we eat a meal it should take our system approximately 24-36 hours to digest and remove the waste.So in theory if you eat three meals a day, how many times should you be going in the bathrooms? ( three times- right?)
      But for many people this doesn’thappen perhaps due to diet or stress related triggers.The colon reabsorbs up one and half pints of water as the waste is processed in the body. If the food you eat is very refined then it cannot absorb enough fluid leaving your waste very dry and sticky, making the transit and exit much slower. So the faecal matter that is stored in the colon will start to dry and harden. When this happens the waste lies along the walls of the colon , sitting in the villi, wich are like muscular fingers create peristasis , or removal of waste. The blood supply that feeds this organ can not only reabsorb nutrients but also TOXINS that are present in the waste , depositing them around the FAT cells, creating ABDOMINAL BLOATING and STUBBORN WEIGHT GAIN.
      When the body is slowing down removing the synthetic waste, its natural TOXINS will also be removed more slowly.For example lactic acid that is produced by muscle to help move the muscles, however it sores it has a negative affect.It can reduce the amount of synovial fluid between the JOINT, causing STIFFNESS and ARTHRITICconditions. TOXINS have even been shoen to leech the calcium from bones, causing brittle bones to OSTEOOROSIS.
      SO it is no good us just telling you what happening in our bodies, now we need to show you a proven system that works and gives results.
      Now RYAN! I would want to explain you as the treatment Ionithermie it works, and as the toxins are eliminated by our organism and above all the Liver is cleaned.
      We use algae to cleanse the system There are over 150 different types of algaes, some are detoxifyng, some are repairing, others are regenerating.Algae has been proven to work effectively on the body for hundreds years by French and British scientists due to finding that its make up being very similar to the bodies blood plasma.So it is more readily absorbed.
      Unlike many superficial tratments, Ionithermie has been proven to work deep down into the tissue to penetrate the stored toxins.
      We can either target the: .Abdomen and lower back,or .Lower abdomen,. Buttocks and upper thighs, or:.Hips, buttocks and upper tighs, or:.Abdomen and upper arms… or . Buttocks and Abdomen.
      Following this you are measured in the areas to be treated, active preparations including a petented RED algae formula are applied to the priority areas.
      A TERMAL CLAYmask envelopes the treatment area, allowing a machine to send two gentle stimuli deep into the skin, starting the detoxification process. The MUSCLES are also stimulated eo encourage lymphatic drainage of waste and toxins.
      I hope for you to have answered to your questions.
      I speak to you for experience!!..I have taken a course of training with Steiner to London to go to work on the cruise ships.
      Have experimented Ionithermie on me with some fantastic results!
      From 20 years I try to resolve my constipation and swellings to the stomach, and I can tell you that I am a person that a balanced feeding follows and I does physical activity.
      I have lost besides weight on the sides, abdomen and legs.
      I recommend this treatment to all how much they have different problem list listed in my discourse.
      I thank Steiner Training London for my professional preparation in Ionithermie
      Lidia

      1. Hi Lidia. I hope Ionithermie worked for you. I really do. But do please keep in mind that about 90% of what you said above is absolutely non-scientific. I know because I’m a scientist. First, lactic acid is not a toxin – it’s a shortcut from the Kreb’s Cycle when there is an insufficient amount of oxygen to complete the cycle. Once oxygen levels return to normal, the lactic acid is broken down. It does not build up. Also, our body sloughs off old cells; we evolved to do that. The liver doesn’t turn fat into glucose, though it does store glucose. And there is no build up of toxins in lymph nodes; lymph nodes are the various outposts of the immune system and are garrisons for immune cells.

        You clearly have very little scientific training, which is unfortunate. If you had scientific training you would realize that the people “training” you on Ionithermie are also uneducated. What they are is scammers and frauds. Ionithermie may feel good, but there is no scientific evidence to support the claims. Come back with double-blind, peer-reviewed studies showing its efficacy and we can talk.

  7. Hey Ryan. I know this post was written AGES ago, but I was recently googling Ionithermie reviews and your blog post came up. You’re absolutely right. Most of these anti-cellulite treatments and weight loss spa services have no scientific evidence to support their claims. And honestly, after reading through some of the debate/discussions which have been going on about your post, I’m inclined to think that those women are really just posers. Anyway, I find it extremely suspicious that I cannot seem to find a single Ionithermie review on the internet. Other than the extremely vague posts in forums: “Ionithermie doesn’t work. It’s a waste of money.”, or on one review site in which the reviewer, whose friend was a “Ionithermie specialist” defensively argued about the effectiveness of Ionithermie, there is no other personal reviews on the procedure. It really puzzles me.

    That said, I’m scheduled for an appointment next week. Now, I know it’s stupid. I’m actually seriously experiencing some self-doubt now, but I’ve committed to it. There’s a money-back guarantee, so I’m counting on that.

    Well, I’ll let you know how it turns out. And damn, I know how spa therapists or whatever love to exaggerate the loss of inches and everything. How do I ensure that I’m not being fooled by the measurements??

    Any advice on this? And sorry for bringing this matter up again!! It’s been five whole years since your blog post, but I frankly cannot find anyone else to ask about this treatment. It’s almost like the whole thing is some hush-hush super-secret kind of thing.

    Freaky.

    1. Hi Natalie,

      No problem posting on here. I’ll do my best to help.

      If I were going for an Ionithermie visit and I wanted to see if they were actually making a difference, here’s how I would set everything up.

      First, get an average of your weight over several days. So, first thing in the morning, weigh yourself for the next week before your appointment to see how much you weigh.

      Second, take daily measurements for the next week using a seamstresses’ measuring tape, of the circumference of your: waist, thighs, biceps, etc. This will give you a chance to figure out how to measure these and see that it can be kind of difficult to get an accurate measurement. But hopefully practice will help you improve your ability to measure these parts of the body.

      If you have those measurements going into the treatment, you’ll be armed with data.

      Third, my guess, from everything I’ve been told on here, is that they will measure you when you start the treatment so you’ll think that it works. My hunch is that they measure you very loosely before the treatment and then very tightly afterward to make you think it really, really worked. So, pay very close attention to how they do this and, if at all possible, insist that they use the exact same measurement technique before and after. Regardless of how they do it, make sure you write down the measurements: weight and circumference.

      Fourth, and this is probably the most important part. As soon as you get home after the treatment, do your own measurements, just like you’ve been doing for the last week.

      And fifth, and finally, continue doing your own measurements for another week.

      My guess, and I could be wrong here, is that what Ionithermie does is dehydrates you, kind of like a wrestler cutting weight before a match. That kind of weight loss is temporary as it’s just water weight. As soon as you start drinking and eating again, the water comes right back, usually within a couple days. So, if you follow the steps I outlined above, you should be able to determine if Ionithermie is just dehydrating you or if the weight loss is permanent because you’ll have “before” measurements and “after” measurements.

      If I’m right, and I may not be, you’ll be back to your pre-treatment measurements within 24 to 48 hours of the treatment. If not, I’d really like to know.

      Last point… From all the comments people have posted over the years, it sounds like Ionithermie feels really good. So, I hope that is the case. If so, enjoy that part of it. Really! It’s kind of like “massage therapy:” There is no evidence that massage therapy does anything more than help people temporarily relax and make them feel good for a few minutes. It doesn’t cure anything, but it does feel good. So, if at all possible, try to enjoy the therapy, all the while remembering that there is no scientific evidence that Ionithermie does anything and that you’re actually going to help illustrate that by subjecting it to a semi-rigorous scientific test (though, if we were doing a real scientific test we’d need hundreds of additional subjects, control groups, etc.).

      I hope all of the above makes sense. Let me know if you have any questions.

      Best,

      Ryan

  8. Ryan

    I for one have had the treatment on a cruise ship and it has done wonders for me. I not only lost inches but the stretch marks from childbirth have all but disappeared. Even my husband made comments that my stomach look much better after only ONE treatment. If I had the money for more treatments I would have been there. I paid very close attention to when they were measuring and very closely when they re-measured. It is NOT a hoax.

    You are like a child that turns up their nose at food that they have never tried but say ewww, I don’t like that. If you did NOT try this treatment then don’t knock it. It DOES work.

    I am also a massage therapist. Obviously you have not tried a good massage therapist either. Therapeutic massage can help many with circulatory issues and chronic pain. Get with it or stop bashing those that are trying to offer alternative ways besides drugs to get through each day. I have relieved frozen shoulders and helped chronic low back pain so I KNOW massage does work if done properly.

    You really should not comment on things you obviously know nothing about.

  9. @Jeanne

    Jeanne, I’ll give you my standard reply. Provide me with peer-reviewed articles that illustrate Ionithermie works and I’ll recant and post them here. Until then, I will remain skeptical. That’s how science and skepticism work.

    Thanks for stopping by.

  10. I have an Ionithermie machine for sale if anyone it interested in purchasing one. It is the handheld model and it’s in good condition. I also have tons of A&B ampoles that I am selling. at $45 per box. If anyone is interested please email me at dermayenterprise@yahoo.com

    Thanks!

  11. hi
    can you tell me how to open the A&B Ampole jars??? I had the treatment on the ship but bout the oil on ebay so it didn’t come with any instructions….
    thanks

  12. Hey Peanutg,

    To open the ampoule, grip the tip with a cloth or a piece of cotton and snap the tip off by breaking it with pressure pushing away from you! I hope that makes sense! LOL! Good Luck!

  13. Hi Ryan,

    I did had mani treatments of Ionithermie and I lost inches every time.
    By the way before attaching the link about the cellulite from Wikipedia and spreding your negativity you should put the efford too read it. Below is a copy of what it says there about the factors for cellulite..
    The treatment is great and it work and is also proven over the years.

    Hormonal factors
    Hormones play a dominant role in the formation of cellulite. Estrogen may be the important hormone and initiate and aggravate cellulite. However, there has been no reliable clinical evidence to support such a claim. Other hormones, including insulin, the catecholamines adrenaline and noradrenaline, thyroid hormones, and prolactin, are all believed to participate in the development of cellulite.[2]

    I

  14. I love this. You did not receive one comment that said it didn’t work for them. NO, “yea, I spent all my hard earned money and it didn’t do anything and was a waste of money”. Only great results. Interesting, in a very scientific sort of way.

  15. Desiree, a friend just told me about Ionithermie; she had the procedure done on a cruise ship and raved about it. I am a massage therapist in Ohio and she wanted me to look into it. Where did you buy your machine and did they provide education?

    Sorry Ryan, but I agree with Vickie- there is an overwhelming amount of positive feedback.

    Thanks,
    Megan

    1. Megan,

      Positive feedback is not the equivalent of scientific evidence. There is still no evidence that this works and their is no theory behind how it is supposed to work.

      Best,

      Ryan

  16. I’m currently working on cruise ships, as a massage therapist. Fortunately I have a scientific degree background so I know precisely what you are talking about Ryan. I know how they do things, I’m an insider with precise knowledge on how do they sell the concept of “toxins”. This is a huge company called Steiner Transocean and they are running the SPAs on virtually every cruise ship in the world. Their mission is to suck out as much money as possible of the guilable rich people that do cruises.
    You don’t fool around with these guys. They are a smart company, specialist on selling concepts. The priority of Steiner Transocean is to make money, NOT helping people. They made me sign a document before I joined them on which was specified that I could not “say bad things about them on the internet”. That’s why my post is anonymous, and I will remain that way. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of your comments come from the Steiner offices itself, they go to great lengths to promote and protect their business.
    You may be hearing from me in the future. It is now 2011 and the pamphlet on ionithermie is exactly the same!
    This is a very old scam (google Purification Rundown) Steiner did not invent this but they saw a filthy rich and gullible market that needed money sucking… (I hope they don’t have any links with scientology who likes to infiltrate on powerful and influential people and companies… or else this will turn up a bigger and obscure conspiracy). The toxins scam and some other scams will continue to run amok on SPAs until the scientific community has the balls to discredit them and people in general get their brains functioning!
    I hate business based on lies and money extraction schemes, specially business that treats it’s workers like crap…
    I just want to say briefly that acupuncture actually works and it’s endorsed by the WHO. Massage is also used virtually in every physiotherapy medical facility worldwide, it’s benefits as a recovery side therapy are widely recognized, as well as in SPA relaxation and well-being benefits

  17. Hello again…
    I’ve been done ionithermie to me and I really lost inches… and I don’t think she rigged the measurements, although it’s not a very scientific way of measurement (we are not taught to lie, we are just taught lies as if they were true). And I real felt more firm afterwards, that was a surprise for me and my scientific mind! So I wonder where were the inches I’ve just lost…
    After an investigation I found out that there isn’t much scientific investigation about ionithermie, thus the clinically proven treatment they pretend to be is false. Moreover if you research the internet about ionithermie basically what you find is people trying to sell the concept to you. Again that doesn’t say anything. Ionithermie is a brand, and as brands go is all about selling, not about “scientifically proven”.
    When you sell, you sell a concept or you sell yourself, not the truth. And this is really the best way to go about selling almost anything. By the way, that is how the BS market all over the world makes billions, most human beings are just ill informed… Proving this is very easy: Nazi Germany; most world religions, modern politics, etc… Whenever there is misinformation there is a chance for making money for the experienced seller. So selling is about charm and believing so much in a lie that makes it true. It’s about passion too and using the passion to exaggerate. Anyway I’ve been talking to friends and the same thing is happening in most SPAs everywhere! They exaggerate the outcomes and use some other similar techniques to squeeze the money out of you.
    Well, back to the theme; after careful research it became obvious that ionithermie works your abdominal muscles a lot. The clay they put on you is wet and moldable when it’s applied to you and gets dry during the treatment, so the water that remains on the sheet at the end is probably mostly water from the clay. Mostly what you lose is water during that treatment, the day after I was feeling exactly the same. So yes the treatment is good if you seek temporary masking of some of your body weight and cellulite. You will lose localized water and make your muscles more firm for sometime. Cellulite is a normal condition caused by the herniation of the connective tissue right above the fat cells, period. Cellulite is not toxins. Best way to minimize cellulite is to eat properly, and have an healthy lifestyle. Cellulite has always existed.
    Here is some mixed reviews of the treatment: so as you can see some people didn’t like it. https://boards.cruisecritic.com/topic/365557-ionithermie-treatment-on-crown/
    The talk about toxins is just selling babble with the objective of trying to cause impact on the client, to cause fear and an urge to get rid of the nasty toxins, to give the therapist some science babble that no one understands to give him credit. If you say that the treatment will only work mildly on body appearance for a limited time, no one will buy it!
    For Steiner everything artificial made is toxins, basically. Any preservatives, any oil derivates, etc. Steiner works closely with Elemis, a beauty product range, specialized in SPA, and I think Elemis is a subsidiary of Steiner. Now, the best selling product of their range on ships is the Instant Refreshing Gel… let’s look at the ingredients shall we: Alcohol denat, propylene glycol, carbomer,triethanolamine, methylparaben, propylparaben, CL19140 CL 42090. Now how is this for hypocrisy?!
    There is a new talk going on Steiner SPAs. The talk is that “toxins” cause your blood to go acidic and cause acidosis, which in turn will get you all diseases like arthritis, osteoporosis, cholesterol, cancer, etc. To fight this you’ll have to take alkaline food and supplements, like algaes which according to them are the most alkaline foods you can eat. Guess what they just happen to have to sell you? Algae capsules! Here you can see the nonsense of this concept: https://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/DSH/coral2.html
    Things to know of your going to a SPA on cruise ships: They will try desperately to rebook you for another treatment later on the cruise by saying that with one treatment only the tip of the concern was addressed, or that they are not miracle workers. Which is true in a certain way but it is always exaggerated. They will always try to retail to you something. Even if you feel you don’t have any health concern they will find you one, don’t worry…
    With the retail they will never call it like that to you. They will try to make it feel as if you were in the doctor and he was prescribing something for you to take for your condition. Ok, now, there are good products on the Elemis range no question about it but most of them don’t do half of the things promised.
    Don’t blame it on the therapists working there. They are hard workers, young, passionate but still naïve. They suffer tremendous pressure to make money by retails and rebookings. Most of them are good professional people that are under the umbrella of one of the most aggressive SPA enterprises on the market. They bought all their competition at sea and they pay around 7% commission to their massage therapists, no basic wage. You have to pay the general expenses to get on the ship, plain ticket to London to go to their boot camp… academy… pay for your uniform etc… all put together you’ll spend around more than 1.000 pounds before starting making money.
    Things Steiner don’t tell their new employers is: No matter what they say don’t believe that you can make money on any ship. The money they promise on the recruiting is just for the best ships. You can only make money on ships on which most of the guests are Americans. You have to pay for your food on board and that money comes from your total revenue not your commission. Americans tip and most other nationalities don’t. To make money for real you have to work your ass out 12 to 14h a day. A lot of people quit during their contracts because they’re not making money or they wear themselves out and got medical leave. You make more money on tips than on your actual salary.
    You’ll find people happy to work for Steiner, but mostly it’s because: they work on American ships; they have the “sea spirit” and that’s the thing that keeps them coming back for more; or they don’t know how to work any where else.
    Cya!

  18. Ryan,

    HI! I want to start by saying, I just don’t have it in my heart to be nasty to any person here… What I am about to say is going to send my fellow “beauty buffs” through the ROOF…

    1. I am an Esthetician…there is NO difference in an Aesthetician and an Esthetician as it pertains to licenses. Advanced training and “Medical” training differentiates us.
    2. I have not had not administered the Ionithermie Treatment….
    3. HOWEVER!!!!!! Galvanic is Galvanic, and Faradic is Faradic…
    4. The beauty industry is a CASH COW…and more than fluff is being sold!
    5. I don’t know if my input will be accepted as I am not a scientist either…
    6. The claims are trained to us! We don’t set out to lie… well not ALL of us… extensive study and discernment are up to the individual!

    That being said, I have had body slimming wraps in Medical Spas that claim to have the RAREST MOST POTENT MIRACLE COMBO POTION, and I have done body treatments on others…Here is what has happened…
    1. YES there is an initial and EXTREMELY temporary change…
    2. The inches lost are recorded cumulative (trickery) for all areas measured…much like grocery stores give the illusion that something is not as much as it is by saying it’s UNDER $5.00, and the price is 4.99 or 4.89… Or marking a product up, putting a red sticker on it and calling it CLEARANCE! I mean, they are SMALL deceptions…but deceptions none the less…
    3. My roommate and I were disappointed because we weighed the SAME amnt as we did before, and caught the owner of the spa lying at least twice…:(
    BASICALLY there is not ACTUAL weight loss…we felt tight and bloated, and our clothes fit the EXACT SAME!!!
    4. But to the credit of those advertising the Ionithermie Treatment and Wraps the advertisement is to REDUCE THE APPEARANCE…not eliminate…that’d be BOLD FACE LYING!!!
    5. The ONLY way keep the APPEARANCE up is buying in to multiple treatments…
    6. The same has reigned true for all clients mine and fellow beauty specialists!

    MY second point….Galvanic…when using this treatment during facials for “DEEP PORE” cleansing galvanic current is used to create an alkaline chemical reaction that emulsifies or liquefies sebum and debris
    Layman’s terms it sends and electric current through the body MUSHING the underlying crap (bacteria, debris, toxins, oils) which literally ooze out of the skin with very little effort using this technique… This type of thing is great for people who have blackheads/whiteheads, LOTS of buildup, etc…. AFTER the “TOXINS” are removed…*laughing while typing that…lol* OH yeah, there is an alkaline solution used in this process to make it effective…. SO after that, we have to replenish the skin, and use ACIDIC water based products under a positive current to push the product DEEP into the skin which, TIGHTENS skin, hydrates, calms nerves and circulation etc…
    After this you will hear clients RAVE!!!! “OMG!!! I SEE SUCH IMMEDIATE DRASTIC results!!” SO, this CAN work, but can NOT be replaced by proper nutrition, adequate water consumption, and cleansing/moisturizing with honest products. If they were doing that, truth be told they wouldn’t NEED the treatment in the first place!!!

    Which brings me to my last point… I believe something similar is happening with this treatment… ANY treatment you get in a salon or spa will give you an immediate satisfaction that is EXTREMELY temporary… Some people are cool with that…and some people really NEED the jump start… and some just love the process…

    HOWEVER, I am a FIIIIRRMM believer that if and when you consume whole foods as opposed to processed foods, and keep your body alkaline, consume the proper amounts or water (based on weight and activity), exercise + stretch regularly, STOP STRESSING ABOUT FOOLISHNESS, and allow your body to rest when it is supposed to REALLY rest… there would be no place for excess fats and disease to reign in the body…seriously….BUT That takes effort, and our society would rather SPEND OODLES of money vainly than to REALLY work hard at most things…

    There you have it… Just telling my experiences… I don’t profess to be a scholar, nor do I speak for everyone, but I tell you it’s obvious… I mean, sincerely a facial is literally ME washing your face for you…but guess what people pay $75 – $100 to have it done for them! lol That is basic facial…without all the peels and equipment of course…THOSE treatments are sold by the SERIES, and are FAR more… So, Ryan you are mostly right…

    If you will note in almost all the reviews theses people are a cpl days – 2 weeks from the cruise/experience… But there are a few reviews where people were disappointed or dissatisfied. Muscle tone changing for the worse/flabby, or indentations left, or no real inch or weight loss… Ok, I’ve talked tooo much!! I HOPE this makes sense….L8r

  19. yes-I had the ionothermie treatment on a cruise as did my sister. We both noticed a difference tho i found the hype and the pseudo-scientific jargon embarrassing–to them. We would both do it again–given the opportunity. It was temporary but we did feel good. My experience is that if you can manage to get yourself to the feel-good stage every once in a while it’s something to pursue. Happiness is not scientific but desirable and for some–rare.

  20. Refreshing to see some skeptical posting. I very much enjoyed my Princess Cruise, but I couldn’t stand the voodoo hype for various “treatments.” If Ionithermie were so effective, then it would be standard practice. The “allopathic” doctors would corner the market and add it to their bag of billables. I could not find a valid clinical trial for this treatment or others that were peddled at the spa. Thanks for the summary.

  21. I just got off a Caribbean cruise, I am trying this Ionithermie and Elemis 6-months detox program.

    On the cruise I had 3 Ionithermie treatments. First day the loss was 3.5 inches on 5 measurements, two days after, second treatment was 1.5 inches and last treatment was 1.5 inches again.

    I did gain some back after overeating on the cruise.

    The “overall” net loss was 1.5 inch on the upper abdominal (and no change on the last treatment), to 0.5 inches around the “love handle” belly area, which I really want to get rid of.

    I am very skeptical and I thought the loss during treatment is came from the electricity thing toning up the abs. And of course the measurements are not scientific – you can even alter the result at different relaxation level.

    The way they pitched it to me was Ionithermie removes toxins from the fat cells so the body can burn it during exercise <- this is the reason why I am willing to spend the $$$ and try it.

    I am in my 30s and used to be very fit in the 20s. For the past year no exercise and nutrition program worked to eliminate my belly fat and my abs has been hiding for almost a decade.

    I will run this program with my regular exercise routine (3 – 4 times/week) for the next 6 months and will check back and see if it really works or not.

    To make this a little more scientific, I will do the following that's different from before:
    – nutrition: will use protein powder from GNC as recommended by the on cruise fitness trainer (before I used egg whites and chicken breast)
    – calorie intake: will increase from the 1800 daily calorie that I controlled in my previous "diet" program to trainer's recommended 2200 / day based on metabolic rate. On exercise days, since I want to tone my muscle and lose a few pounds, I will eat back my exercise estimated calorie burn (using protein shake) to about 1800 – 2000 / day, no less.

    – will keep my 1 cheat day/week and 3 meals + 1 to 2 snacks daily.
    – I will take a personal before and after picture and measurements.

    My thoughts are that to determine if this program works:
    – if it is able to really "open up the fat cell" so my exercise can eliminate fat around my waist and belly that I could not eliminate for the past few years.
    – if the above is successful, given the same life style and no more "detox", how long I am able to keep the "fat" off.

    Stay tuned 🙂

    1. Funny that you don’t know how to type “pharmaceutical”.

      Also, I don’t see many dots to connect. Pharmaceutical companies do research because they are actually trying to develop “real” medicines. Ionithermie is bullshit, so they do no real research.

      Oh, and there is way more “clinical” research done by other sources besides pharmaceutical companies. “Clinical” can refer to any research that is geared toward being applied, particularly to people. There are millions of scientists doing clinical research who are not paid by pharmaceutical companies.

      Stop fleecing your clients and just own up to your fraud.

  22. I just returned from a 7 day cruise (literally less than an hour ago). I did 3 Ionthermie treatments. According to the beautician’s measurements I lost 10.5 inches. However, upon returning home I actually have 2 more inches on me than when I left! I feel so scammed. And no, I didn’t go back to overeating during the cruise. In fact, I pretty much lived off melon and salad because the rest of the food god boring after a while.

  23. I wished I read this before I went on my Caribbean cruise through Royal (just a few weeks ago) about this ionithermie treatment program. Man, I wasted my money. Though, the treatment did feel good, giving that high that people on here mentioned. Plus there was a service fee attached so I ended up paying $151. Not going to do that again. I never been to a Spa before so I thought going to one on a cruise ship would be a fun experience. (Yes, I did another Spa treatment which was 6 treatment with massages and a facial which felt great on the last full day; that one was a better deal. Who doesn’t like to be pampered?)

    I’m an intelligent woman but geez, those Spa spokespeople are very convincing. Okay, I was probably vulnerable with some factors that made it easier for me to be gullible. I didn’t plan to do any Spa stuff at all. But they kept advertising the Spa center all through the cruise. I saw on a daily schedule about a ladies’ pamper day (really, just a workshop for an hour) with free freebies (softer skin, white teeth, collagen eye treatment) and a presentation about beauty and weight loss treatments. I went there with my female relatives on the second to the last day of the cruise. They weren’t impressed. The factors that affected my judgement was: 1) Stressed from staying in one room with three other people and traveling with two nagging relatives; 2) For years, hearing how I need to lose weight especially my belly fat so I can attract a man; 3) Wasn’t getting good night’s sleep from having so much fun on the cruise, nagging relatives (except my grandma who was sweet to me) and sharing a crowded stateroom; and 4) I really wanted to get rid of my belly fat and lose some inches all around.

    At the end of their presentation, the head of the Spa and Fitness Center lady told us about the special rates on certain treatments, why these treatments are so important and telling us that our health matters so we need to put ourselves first. It didn’t help that she told her story on how she lost weight with the help of ionithermie detox treatments as part of her lifestyle with her healthy eating and exercise regimen and she even showed her “before” photo. This lady is gorgeous with a slender figure, blond hair and glowing skin. (By the way, I love my black hair and people have commented how nice it is.) I was so sold that after it, I went to sign up for my one and only ionithermie treatment. Though, the person who did it told me it was just a booster and she tried to sell me the at-home package. Afterwards, I did feel like I was on a high. But something in me told me not to buy a kit. I couldn’t afford any of those kits. In addition, I don’t have the time and effort to really do anything they say to help me improve. (It took me a year to save for me to go on the cruise with my family.)

    Thank you to the Insider (Anonymous from June/July 2011) to explain things to us. It’s true that many of the cruise employees work incredibly hard and long hours. The person who treated me was a kind and sweet young woman from Africa (can’t remember which country she said she was from). I could tell that she seemed to believe in the hype and felt guilty for pushing the products at me. As Anonymous 2011 said, these young folks have not much choice. No wonder this girl had to push those products when she doesn’t have a wage but have to live off of commissions. They want to make something of themselves and they probably don’t have much employment opportunities in their third-world countries. The young lady seemed to believe that she is helping people feel better about themselves. She said she has to work like 12 hour days with not many days off. The Spa is still busy even on those port call days; for those cruise vacationers don’t want to get off the ship to explore whatever city and just stay on board to play and relax. She works 9 months on the ship and have 3 months off to be at home/on land.

    Anyway, that treatment only gave me a temporary firmness all over where I was treated. For a couple days, my clothes was looser. I was told that I would have to urinate more often for the next few days. Well, after the treatment I really had to use the bathroom. But the next few days I urinate like normal. I guess this ionithermie is just an expensive way to have a good massage or a temporary way to look good for a wedding or a big social gathering.

  24. Oh Fudge! Why didn’t I find this blog before I went on that Royal Caribbean cruise? Originally I didn’t plan to do any fancy Spa stuff. I just wanted a basic facial. The Spa kept advertising their services throughout the ship and on the daily schedule sheets. I went to their ladies pamper party where they provide free eye collagen treatment. I dragged my female cousins along since I didn’t want to go alone. We sit through an hour workshop on beauty and weight loss tips. We did get the free eye collagen treatment but we just put their cleaning and collagen eye lotion on ourselves. I didn’t see any difference. They even gave us a free whitening stick to put on our teeth; it did help get my teeth lighter. The Spa director told her inspirational story on how she lost weight and looked great by going to the spa often. She showed her “before” photo; now she is thinner, tanner and has glowing skin. She told us about the special deals for us ladies that no one else on the ship would get.

    My cousins was skeptical and they tried to get me to leave. How would they know? They are thin and pretty. For years, I have this horrible gut, thick thighs, and chunky upper arms. I do eat healthy. But the exercising part is difficult. At first, I exercise at least twice a week for an hour each for about three months and then something happens and I fall off of my routine. I can’t get myself back on it.

    Like a fool, I had to get that one Ionothermie treatment to help jump start my weight loss and get rid of my cellulite. The electric pulsing portion of the treatment was uncomfortable. I had to urinate so bad afterwards. The therapist wasn’t able to remeasure me until I used the bathroom. Because of financial constraints, I could buy their at home kits. So at first I was so happy to see some inches lost. Lost at least 3 inches around my waist and my clothes felt looser than before. But after a few days, my clothes fit the same way as before. I had weighed myself before the cruise so after the cruise I weighed myself and I am at the same weight. Just the other day I remeasured myself and I gained by my temporary inches lost. I’m so mad that I fell for this hoax. I wasted money that I couldn’t afford to spend.

    I had to save money for this cruise for over a year. This cruise was a chance to celebrate my cousin who was turning 30 and we are all close. That treatment brought a small black mark on my cruise experience. Overall, I did have a great time on that cruise with my cousins. I just hope my testimony of this ionothermie treatment program is stupid and gives off false hope.

  25. HELLO, I SURE DON’T LIKE BEING DUPED EITHER. HOWEVER, I’VE BEEN STUDYING THE MATERIALS ON IONITHERMIE. WHEN WE TOOK OUR CRUISE LATE 2018, I DECIDED TO TRY IONITHERMIE. I WAS PLEASANTLY SURPRISED BY THE RESULTS. 5.5 INCHES IN 30 MIN. MY HUSBAND NOTICED THE DIFFERENCE IMMEDIATELY. WE HAVE SINCE THEN BOUGHT A MACHINE AND I AM PREPARING TO OFFER THIS SERVICE IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
    I LOST MY INCHES ON MY UPPER AND LOWER ABS. I KNEW BEFORE I TOOK THE TREATMENT THAT I WAS CARRYING ADDITIONAL SOMETHING ON MY GUT. THAT AREA WAS REDUCED DRASTICALLY, BY 5.5 INCHES COMBINED THREE AREAS/MEASUREMENT LOCATIONS.
    THIS IS AN NONINVASIVE TREATMENT THAT WORKS. I HAVE NOT GAINED THAT BACK AND IT HAS BEEN 4 MONTHS. I BELIEVE IF YOU LOOK AT THIS AS A MEANS TO GET MORE EXERCISE, AND BE ABLE TO FIT INTO YOUR CLOTHES IMMEDIATELY, THEN YOU WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED. I HAVE NOT FOUND AN DANGEROUS ASPECTS OF THIS TREATMENT. I ALSO BELIEVE IT DOES DETOXIFY. INCREASING BLOOD FLOW AND IMPROVING CIRCULATION WILL AND SHOULD ALWAYS CAUSE THAT TO HAPPEN NATURALLY. I TOO HAD TO URINATE IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE PROCEDURE, AND I DID ALLOT. THEY TELL YOU THIS. THEY ALSO TELL YOU TO DRINK PLENTY OF WATER AND AVOID ALCOHOL. GET PLENTY OF REST, CONTINUE EXERCISING, ETC. BEING IN THE MEDICAL FIELD, I HAVE HEARD MANY POSITIVE TESTAMONIES ABOUT LIPOSUCTION, COOL SCULPTING, ETC. HOWEVER, IF YOU DO NOT EXERCISE AND CHANGE YOUR EATING HABITS, THE FAT RETURNS! THOSE TREATMENTS ARE NOT MIMICKING NATURAL BODY RESPONSES, BUT IONITHERMIE DOES, BY ENCOURAGING YOUR OWN ORGANS TO CLEAR THE TOXINS TRAPPED INSIDE AND AROUND FAT. HAVING SAID THAT, I DO BELIEVE IF ONE DOES NOT WORK TO KEEP OF THE FAT, IT WILL RETURN NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO. CONVINCED IN CANTON OKLAHOMA.

  26. Just had the ionithermie procedure on a Carnival cruise. I went to a free pamper party and they slashed the price to $100. I figured why not, if it worked then great and if not then it’s equivalent to a $100 massage. I didn’t see any noticeable results much less the overall “8” inches I lost.

    The turn off was the hard sale at the end to buy a $1,200 package for 6 months, $750 for 3 months or $350 for 12 days. She got so desperate that the tried to sell me their brush to brush my body for $40 (seriously, as if your brush is any different than one i can buy at a store) and 6 vials of the algie serum for $150. You wouldn’t need a hard sale like that if it’s legit. I’m not going to fork over my hard earned money over some algae wrap/electrode procedure that is supposed to do everything under the sun including alleviate arthritis pain, remove cellulite, firm muscles, lose weight, detox etc.

    Spare yourself the 30 min sales pitch at the end and just avoid it. It’s obvious to me after the fact that it was a marketing ploy to get me to attend the “free” pamper party just so they can get some of us to try their procedure by slashing the price to $100 and to rant and rave about how many inches I loss (even though i didn’t notice anything different) and push the sale at the end. Ugh!

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